GYC Regatta Crew

[ksurfer]

Help!!!!!!! I need crew for Friday only for the upcoming GYC regatta on April 9, 10, and 11. Anyone know of anyone who may be interested?????

[Cowboy]

Help!!!!!!! I need crew for Friday only for the upcoming GYC regatta on April 9, 10, and 11. Anyone know of anyone who may be interested?????

Dang, and you're not even married yet! That didn't take long.

[ksurfer]

You know, I'm gonna tell her you said that. You're gonna get it from her at SF!

[dingram]

I thought the Friday racing was only for the F16's.

[ksurfer]

That's not what it sounded like at the member meeting last week. Also, the committee is not willing to adopt the Spring Fever method of scoring if you can't make Friday. That makes sense for the F-16's, but for the other classes, it would be nice.

[dingram]

So if you don't sail Friday you're screwed? Why attend at all then? If that's the case I'm out.

[Timbo]

See? I told you that would happen...

So why don't all you non-F16's just show up for Saturday and Sunday?

Then it wouldn't be a problem at all, would it?

I think we went over this the last time the "3 day" regatta was mentioned, the "problem" is, some people have to work on Fridays. For a "Nationals" type regatta, I think 3 days is ok, but that should only happen in any class once per year, so you can plan on it and get the Friday off, but for a local fleet race, not so much.

This is a Nationals (the first US Nationals) for the F16's, for the rest of you, not so much...so just show up on Saturday like normal, and go racin'.

[dingram]

See? I told you that would happen...

So why don't all you non-F16's just show up for Saturday and Sunday?

Then it wouldn't be a problem at all, would it?

I think we went over this the last time the "3 day" regatta was mentioned, the "problem" is, some people have to work on Fridays. For a "Nationals" type regatta, I think 3 days is ok, but that should only happen in any class once per year, so you can plan on it and get the Friday off, but for a local fleet race, not so much.

This is a Nationals (the first US Nationals) for the F16's, for the rest of you, not so much...so just show up on Saturday like normal, and go racin'.

Geebus Tim!!!!! It's not that it is a 3 day regatta it's just that there is NO!!! allowance for missing a day. I would have NO problem if they used the 3 day scoring BUT THEY WON'T!!!!! Please try to understand how something works before you dump on it.

Oh, and they have a 10AM start on Saturday too. If GYC can't try to accomodate the two day racers... I have a LOT of other choices and I will certianly exercise that choice!

[Timbo]

Ding, I agree the 10m Sat. start is wayyy tooo early, even for me, even if I'm already there and racing on Friday! I didn't have anything to do with that, I can assure you! A 10 am start means setting up the boat at 9am, and I plan on being very hung over at 9am...

Well, all I can say is, vote with your feet. Maybe next time they will figure out nobody wants to get up so early for a 2 day event. I don't know enough about the 2-3 day scoring system, perhaps you could call the GYC Race Com. and explain it to them and they might change it for you.

[Matt]

Ding, I agree the 10m Sat. start is wayyy tooo early, even for me, even if I'm already there and racing on Friday! I didn't have anything to do with that, I can assure you! A 10 am start means setting up the boat at 9am, and I plan on being very hung over at 9am...

Well, all I can say is, vote with your feet. Maybe next time they will figure out nobody wants to get up so early for a 2 day event. I don't know enough about the 2-3 day scoring system, perhaps you could call the GYC Race Com. and explain it to them and they might change it for you.

I thought origionaly that the 3 days were for the 16's only, then they made it for all, which is logical if you have a race course going anyway.

The 10 AM deal is BS. They were looking to keep a 9 race series so why start early. This sucks for the party and is a killer for anyone wanting to come on Saturday.

As for having or not having the SF scoring system, - Ding quit being a baby. The end result means what? Come for the party and race what you can and judge yourself on the races you participated in.

[dingram]

[quote="MattAs for having or not having the SF scoring system, - Ding quit being a baby. The end result means what? Come for the party and race what you can and judge yourself on the races you participated in.[/quote]

Really, that's how we are addressing poorly run, poorly attended regatta's now we blame the participants and call them babies? And we wonder why participation continues to drop. We have more people willing to parcitipate in this pain the *NOODLE* sport anyway, time to thin the herd aye?

And didn't we move our regatta (KPRR) to accomodate the GYC sailors, and now they can't even support a later start time Saturday morning, WTF! Well isn't that a nice thank you.

[Timbo]

I guess you'll have to ask Pete or Stephan who came up with the 10am Saturday start. Most days the seabreeze doesn't even come in until 2pm. Of course if there's a cold front going by, it'll be windy no matter what time we start, but still, at 10 it's still a bit cold for my candy-a$$!

Maybe they were thinking one of the days might be blown out or dead calm, so they wanted to get out there early each day to try to get in as much as possible, if Saturday is the only good day, that might work, but still, for guys coming a long distance for only Sat. and Sun, it's not good.

[dingram]

I guess you'll have to ask Pete or Stephan who came up with the 10am Saturday start. Most days the seabreeze doesn't even come in until 2pm. Of course if there's a cold front going by, it'll be windy no matter what time we start, but still, at 10 it's still a bit cold for my candy-a$$!

Maybe they were thinking one of the days might be blown out or dead calm, so they wanted to get out there early each day to try to get in as much as possible, if Saturday is the only good day, that might work, but still, for guys coming a long distance for only Sat. and Sun, it's not good.

Okay Tim I get it's an F16 only event, so why pretend you want other fleets at your regatta. Just say it's a closed regatta and be done with it, don't go out of your way to make it difficult for those that can only support a weekend event. I do find it interesting that a fleet that demands to be included in every other fleets events/starts that you can't be accommodating at all when it comes to other fleets, and we don't even want to start with you, we just want a standard Saturday start time and 3 day scoring (which aint rocket science).

The GYC board (which Pete and Stephan are a member of) were asked about doing 3 day scoring and they simply said no. Besides why would I approach them again regarding this issue? Why would their position be different now, it's not an abstract concept. Stephan and Pete have done a couple of regatta's before so I'm pretty sure they know the routine and I'm sure they are aware that a 10AM start on the day expecting teams of new arrivals is a bit unusual. Not to mention that some of the most vicious criticisms regarding regatta management and for that matter organized sailing all together have come from Mr. Pollard. I guess I expected something a bit more inclusive and accommodating, because that is after all what the F16 fleet expects from every other fleet.

[Matt]

Damn, Ding - Lighten up.

The 10 start is not an F16 decision and is opposed by nearly all of us. Just because Pete may have something to do with thisd decision does not mean you can go on a rant about the F16.

Who was it that came and gave me *NOODLE* just because I mentioned weight as an issue in a forum discussion? We do not blame the F18 class just because some fleet in New England decided to post a schedule we did not like.

[ksurfer]

Just so I can be clear, when I was at the board meeting and pushed for the 3 day scoring, neither Stefan nor Pete were there. I do not know what conversations others have with them, but I have not spoken with either of them about the issue. Just want to make sure the wrong people are not being held out over this.